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Horse and Groom, 60 & 62 Blackheath Hill, Greenwich

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Horse and Groom, 60 & 62 Blackheath Hill, Greenwich - The original pub building circa 1930. At some time in the 1930s it had a partial rebuild and a 'Brewers Tudor' makeover

Horse and Groom, 60 & 62 Blackheath Hill, Greenwich - The original pub building circa 1930. At some time in the 1930s it had a partial rebuild and a 'Brewers Tudor' makeover.

Kindly provided by Vincent O'Loughlin

Horse and Groom, 60 & 62 Blackheath Hill, Greenwich - in 1942 after the rebuild and the bow window is already being supported by timber after subsidence.

Horse and Groom, 60 & 62 Blackheath Hill, Greenwich - in 1942 after the rebuild and the bow window is already being supported by timber after subsidence.

Kindly provided by Vincent O'Loughlin

Note that census returns place this pub in Blackheath (Lewisham) rather than Greenwich. *

This area of Greenwich is honeycombed with underground caverns left behind after chalk mining centuries before.
In 1997 the cellar roof collapsed and the pub was closed. In 2002 a large section of roadway outside the pub, on Blackheath Hill collapsed too. The pub was demolished in 2004 and replaced with flats. **

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Residents at this address.

1805/Richard Hall/../../../Holden's Directory *

1823-24/Jos Driver, Horse & Groom, Blackheath hill/../../Pigots Directory

1826/Joseph Driver/../../../Pigots Directory

1836/Jos Driver, Horse & Groom, Blackheath hill/../../Pigot's Directory

1840/William Plummer/../../../Pigots Directory

1852/James Gent/../../../Archdeacons Directory

1855/J. Gent/../../../Post Office Directory *

January 1856/Henry Edwards/Outgoing Licensee/../../Era

January 1856/John Thomas Garven/Incoming Licensee/../../Era

1858/Abraham Jayne/../../../Melvilles Directory

1862/W Hudson/../../../Post Office Directory

1867/W Hudson/../../../Post Office Directory

November 1868/Mr R Burlson, deceased/Outgoing Licensee/../../Era

November 1868/Emily Burlson, executrix of Mr R Burlson, to herself/Incoming Licensee/../../Era

1871/William Baker/Licensed Victualler/55/Ilminster, Somerset/Census
1871/Hester Baker/Wife/46/Ilminster, Somerset/Census
1871/Mark James Major/Potman/17/Lewisham, Kent/Census
1871/Charles Harvey/Boarder, Caninet Maker/23/Sheffield, Yorkshire/Census

1874/G F Parrish/../../../Post Office Directory

1881/Henry John Dalton/Licensed Victualler/26/Lewisham, Kent/Census
1881/Eliza Dalton/Wife/27/Bermondsey, Surrey/Census
1881/Harry Herbert Dalton/Son/3/Horslydown, Surrey/Census
1881/Edgar William Dalton/Son/2/Greenwich, Kent/Census
1881/Edith Eliza Dalton/Daughter/1/Greenwich, Kent/Census
1881/Eliza Keeble/General Servant/21//Census
1881/Caroline Bertha Hawkes/Nursemaid/18/Bromley, Kent/Census
1881/Edward Charles Cooke/Potman/16/Whitechapel, Middlesex/Census

John David Baggarley (born 1830 died 1903); was at the Tankard, 178 Walworth Road in 1869; the Star, 101 Walworth Road in 1871; and owned the Queen Adelaide, 74 Beckenham Road, Penge from about 1875.
John is at the  Horse & Groom, 60 Blackheath Hill in 1900. His brother George is at the Hand in Hand, 37 Arch Street, Newington by 1869; and later at the King Henry VIII, 35 King Henry Street, Islington by 1881.
John is known to have owned the Queen Adelaide from circa 1875 which he sold to the Noakes Brewery in November 1882 for the sum of £2,200.00. However as part of the sale he leased the pub for 31 years for a rent of £84.00 per annum. Research however shows he did not stay in residence as the 1891 census shows one Arthur Clark as publican living with his family. It appears John had sub-let the Queen Adelaide to Arthur Clark as he is known to have been publican at the Horse & Groom. ***

1891/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1891/John Baggarley/Publican/60/Southwark, Borough/Census ***
1891/Eliza Baggarley/Wife/42/Norfolk/Census
1891/Henry Baggarley/Son, Barman/18/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Edith Baggarley/Daughter/15/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/George Baggarley/Son/13/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Ellen Baggarley/Daughter/11/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Rose Baggarley/Daughter/11/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Wm Baggarley/Son/8/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Daisy Baggarley/Daughter/7/Penge, Surrey/Census
1891/Ruth Males/General Servant/21/Penge, Surrey/Census

1896/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1901/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1901/John Baggarley/Publican/72/Southwark/Census ***
1901/Harry Baggarley/Son, Assistant/28/Walworth/Census
1901/Ernest Baggarley/Son/9/Blackheath Hill, Kent/Census
1901/George Baggarley/Son, Carpenter/22/Penge, Kent/Census

1904/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1905/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1906/John Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory *

1908/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

1911/J Baggarley/../../../Post Office Directory

The 1911 census entry shows Elizabeth as aged 42, but married for 40 years, so the age is incorrect.

1911/Baggarley/Publican/82/Boro, London/Census
1911/Elizabeth Baggarley/Wife/42/Guist, Norfolk/Census
1911/George Baggarley/Son, Assists in Business/32/Penge, Kent/Census
1911/Elizabeth Tomlow/General Servant/31/Greenwich, Kent/Census
1911/Florence Booker/Domestic Servant/28/Surrey/Census

1914/Alfred Henry Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory *

1919/A H Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory

1921/Alfred Henry Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory *

1934/John Burn Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory *

1940/John Burn Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory *

1942/Mrs Elizabeth Kathleen Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory *

1944/Mrs Eliz Kathln Catherwood/../../../Post Office Directory

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** Provided by Vincent O'Loughlin

*** Provided By Keith Jacobs- see the Baggarley One Name Study

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